Playing GOAT at high resolution - Korean monitors?

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Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:00 am

Hey folks, I know this post is unusual but this isn't spam, I just wanted to share with you a PM that Kwisatz sent me. He works with PC hardware, so Kwisatz has a lot of insight into quality and price. The monitors he describes just might be the right option if you are on a budget, but hoping to play GOAT at high resolution.
Hi david!

Yes, sorry, I wanted to get back to you, but I have been a bit snowed under with work lately. So, these monitors really are a bargain. I hope they are shipped to Thailand though. I got one of these: http://m.ebay.com/itm/330932578190?nav=SEARCH&sbk=1

There is another brand called QNIX, but the monitors they sell are identical. Dream-seller, green-sum and accessoirieswhole are trustworthy sellers that I have read mostly good things about during my time of research. They were also the cheapest and they shipped to Germany for free at incredible speed. i got lucky and didn't even have to pay customs :)

My screen has one stuck pixel, but that is no deal since the pixel density is insanely high. I did have some issues with bad back light bleeding, so I opened up the screen and fixd it with some additional tape around the panel to stop the light shining through. There are not many cases of bothersome blb though, I was unlucky in that regard.

Check this site out, it has all the info there is about these monitors: http://www.overclock.net/t/1384767/offi ... nix-x-star
Really, you should think this through. Once you got that space, contrast and colour, you will never want to to back to a "regular" monitor :)

If you've got any questions, feel free to ask! See you on the forums
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Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:14 am

I'm flattered :oops:, a post just for my response.

Just one thing I have to get straight: while I do like tinkering with my hardware and have build a few rigs for friends, I am NOT earning a living in the hardware business. It is just a hobby that turns into an obsession every year or so until I have upgraded something.

Concerning the monitors: I'm sure there are some people who will disagree with them being the best display solution out there atm. There are projectors as mentioned by evilkinggumpy, there are multi-monitor arrays, there are Ultra HD monitors (several sub 1000$ models have been announced) and then there is Occulus Rift.

I still think that korean monitors with resolutions around 2560*1440 are hitting a sweet spot. They are the most versatile choice. They provide heaps of space for working while most modern graphics cards are still beefy enough to run most games on highest settings at native res. Seeing how my HD 7970 struggles with some games at 1440p I don't want to think about how 2160p would work out. And I can hardly see any pixels on 1440p anyway.

Then there are the colours. Switching from a 8 year old TN panel to my present PLS panel, I was most surprised by the vividness of the colours. Playing Dishonored and Mirror's Edge with that monitor completely took my breath away. These games have incredible art design anyway, but the colours really made it shine even more!

Then there is the really good response times. Usually TN panels have mediocre image quality but they score with low response times compared to IPS/PLS panels. The cheap korean monitors do not have an HDMI interface, they only work on DVI, which makes them very responsive (at the cost of being incompatible with consoles).

AAAAAND, you can overclock most of these things. Some up to 120 Hz, most up to 96 Hz. That gives you a 27" 2560*1400 PLS 120Hz monitor for around 300$!!! (On sale right now). Ok, where can I get my commision?

For you, David, the trouble may be finding a vendor that ships to Thailand...
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Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:03 pm

KwisatzHaderach wrote:I am NOT earning a living in the hardware business
Sorry Kwisatz, I thought you were in the hardware trade. That's my bad :P

I'm really tempted by this hardware: imho you make a lot of really valid points. The thing is, I've got long trips from my temporary home in Thailand on to Japan and the Philippines in a couple of months, so I'm leaning toward something more portable.
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:30 am

People play on 27" monitors still? lol.. (just kidding).

I personally am using a number of setups for computing and gaming. Originally I was gaming on my tower on what is now my work monitor, a cheap (refurb) 1080p LCD television using the VGA in. It is only 60hz so getting really high refreshs' wasn't possible, but at the time I was also using a AMD 5770 so most games couldn't get a good framerate at higher rez anyhow. :)

Currently my tower is hooked to my tv in the downstairs livingroom, which is a 60" 1080p smart LED tv, and that one can do up to 120hz and has a nice series of smart filters to fill in frame gaps. It means watching movies and playing games allows for much better clarity and less motion blur. THIS i love, though it means when watching older films, you see how cheap/fake/cheesy they were at times.. lol. If anyone saw the HFR version of the newer Hobbit movies, that's sort of the effect you get. I also bumped up my graphics card to a GTX 560 Ti so it can do 1080p gaming on most stuff (wuth some tweaks for the newest games).

For what David is looking to do.. I'd actually shoot for this or similar:


LG Electronics PA75U Slim LED Projector with WXGA Resolution WiDi and Smart TV


Here is a link to it on our amazon.com (obviously you can't order it here, but lots of info to be seen)

http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-PA ... im_sbs_e_1

Why would I recommend this? Well for the pricetag of $640 (which may greatly vary where you are) you get a slightly better than 720p projector (with 3d capability) that is moderately bright (700 lumens) and also an LED (so 20-30,000 hours of use) and has a built in digital tuner and multiple "smart" functions so you can use it for a general television wherever you are, computer for presentations (built in WiDi so you can stream and access stuff wirelessly from a nearby pc/laptop) and is fairly quiet and fast to turn on. It'd give you a monitor/tv/presentation outlet plus highly portable and long lasting. :) Oh yeah and it has a few video streaming apps built in for netflix/youtube/etc.

It's not going to be as slick, HD or flawless as what Kwisatz is suggesting, but it might be a solid compromise if you can get it locally. :)

The other thing I'd say to get if possible is this:

Epson ES1000 Ultra Portable Tabletop Projection Screen (V12H002S4Y)

http://www.amazon.com/Epson-Portable-Ta ... ion+screen

I suggested this at one of my old workplaces and they got it. It gives you a portable 50" screen to project on. Means a great easy way to set up a screen at most locations (assuming it has some kind of table surface) for presentations, but also very good for gaming or watching tv. It weighs only a few pounds, folds up pretty small (easily could fit in a suitcase or carry-on) and sets up in seconds. They loved it and still use it to this day. :)

You'd also want a solid pair of headphones or some speakers to hook the projector to as it has audio built in but projector audio is never that great.
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Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:17 am

Thanks folks, you know I appreciate your insight. Because I need something a bit mobile and my budget is around USD 350, I've been looking at something like this:

VVME V61 (LED-86) LED HDMI Projector 1080p HD Ready (Native WXGA 1280 x 768) For Home Cinema, Movie, Video Games, brightness 2800 lumens -http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AMV ... ORJFCDCGVQ
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I'm not sure about refresh rate (probably 60hz) and 3D, though those are less of a priority for me for the next six to eight months. Though this projector is big and a bit heavy at 8 pounds, it should do the job hopefully.

Feel free to let me know your thoughts of course: I haven't committed to anything yet :D
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Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:13 am

Ya know.. it sounds almost too good to be true, which makes my spidey sense tingle. Where did you see it documented it was 2,800 lumens? Normally for a LED projector it is very hard to find one that'll do close to 2,000 lumens, and those cost a fortune. What you have listed is actually brighter than most regular bulb projectors, so I tend to question if it is true.

The features sound great but it is a relatively new model and on amazon there is like.. 2 brief reviews from last November?

I did some looking and what makes me leery about it is that there is no sites I can find that show the specs in full detail for this model. Everyone has almost the same blurb details as that amazon page. As well it has not been detailed or listed on http://www.projectorcentral.com, which is the best resource and web place to research and check on projector details. It's been around for over a decade and has tons of great info. If they don't have it, I worry.

My gut says it is a gimmick, a 'made in china' knockoff made to look legit but likely with questionable quality and parts and if you get a bum deal you'll be s.o.l. cause every page I found, NO ONE knows who the MFG is.. Seriously.. try and see a Manufacturer name. :)

For the pricepoint you are considering you'll likely want to look up PICO projectors or 'portable projectors' and see what you can find. I did see a nice deal at newegg for an Acer one but I don't know if they'd deliver to you or if there is a similar deal where you are.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... _-24009546

there is also a Dell brand one that looks decent and has a couple nice reviews:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 24-260-158

And they both come with carrycases. :) lol.
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Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:34 pm

Alright, I may have lost this battle, but PLS monitors will be back one day and you know it... AND YOU KNOW IT!!!

I resign and leave the field to evilkinggumby (on a totally unrelated note: think about that name!) as I don't have a clue about projectors. You made up your mind and I respect that. Goat will also look stunning on WXGA, I'm sure. It doesn't have to be WQHD all the time. And who needs vivid colours anyway? See? Our grandfathers managed without them, why shouldn't we? You go ahead and buy that projector! And be happy with it! Good luck, son!





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Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:49 pm

LOL hey now this wasn't a competition. I wasn't trying to win or out do you. :) You made a good point and for those who need a computer monitor, those are actually a REALLY amazing deal for the features you get (and I am sure a lot of folk are totally unaware of these, really).

about 5 or 6 years ago I'd totally jump on it too, but at this point I'm old and my eyes stink so I prefer larger screens to work with just for my eyes sake. :) But untimately those monitors are better for detail, resolution, color, contrast and refresh than most any projector David will be looking at. More the issue is they don't let you fold those monitors in half to make them portable..lol.

I do hope David take some pics and shows us what he finally finds to buy. :)
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Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:39 am

evilkinggumby wrote:it sounds almost too good to be true, which makes my spidey sense tingle.
@EvilKing and Kwisatz... Yes, I agree and this is why I'm hesitant to commit. There are a few LED projectors on Amazon at my price point, pushing 2,000 to 2,500 lumens, including one with decent feedback scores (but the supplier doesn't deliver to Thailand). They are branded, but not big- name brands of course. Honestly, US$700 for a big-name brand projector that only does about 1,000 lumens doesn't really tempt me much though ;)

It's a well-balanced choice and imho you both make compelling arguments:
  • Monitor = cost + speed + image quality
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    Projector = image size + portability
Ok, I'll need to really look into this to get something compelling at a decent price. For the moment I'll sit tight with my money, but I'll be sure to keep you folks in the loop :mrgreen:

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Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:07 am

dang each one of those bundles of cash is like.. 10 projectors.. or 30 of the monitors .. lol...

It is a tricky gambit to navigate, and you really need to consider what is the most importsant to you, and what features are dealbreakers if missing. As well, how long term an investment this is for the cost and if there is a use for what you buy beyond the next few years. I mean if you buy the monitor or projector now but in 3 years you will not bother taking it with you when you move to Borneo, then you'd want to consider whats the best price to pay for the use of something for 3 years. And if you plan to keep it and take it with you when you move, what would make the better long term (useful) item. :)

That's how I look at larger purchaes. I don't buy stuff, I invest in them. I bought my first real stereo (an old Kenwood 100 watt Pro Logic) back in high school and used it until about when Y2K was big at the millenium. So 1994-99 and then still used it as a secondary stereo. The replacement I got was a Sony 5.1 stereo that I used from 1999 until like 2 years ago. And I still have the sony to use for my art studio. :)

Meanwhile the original speakers I got back in those days are still with me, a basic pair of $140 3 way floor speakers with 12" woofers (Technics) that have been moved so many times I'm surprised they work. Now they're in my studio. Bought in like 1992 I think.

That's me. I try not to subscribe to the more modern American consumerist notion of disposable electronics.
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